Questions: Valerian and ME-related depression

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Hi there everyone,

I'm brand new to this thread, and pretty new to using aromatherapy too. But I'm keen and learning fast!

I'm trying to put together a blend or two for my Mum, who has ME / Chronic Fatigue Syndrome / Fibromyalgia.

She is undergoing a treatment of Guaifenesin, which is helping enormously but has the 'side-effect' of re-inflaming old symptoms as it clears her body. As a result the two things she has asked me to look at, which may need addressing separately, are;
1. depression and feeling emotionally flat and lethargic
2. mild panic attacks, nerve sensitivity, agitation

Because Guaifenesin is sensitive to salicylates, she thinks it best to stick with vaporising oils rather than massage.
When I came across Valerian in my books (Valerie Worwood and another beginners intro to aromatherapy) it looked ideal for addressing Mum's anxiety and panic etc, but one website I almost bought some from said it is NOT suitable for vaporising.

Also, Valerie Worwood's advice for treating stress is not to use more than three oils in a blend. Do I need to stick to that too?

Any ideas anyone please ??

I'm sorry if this looks like I'm trying to get an Aromatherapy consultation for free, but I promise I'm just trying to learn what I can.

Thanks x x x
 
Hiya

I agree with the not using more than 3 oils per blend, especially if you're not qualified.

I'm not sure about using Valerian, however, as this is an extremely powerful sedative!

For vaporising, given your mother's conditions, I'd suggest:

Grapefruit
Rose
Melissa

These oils are quite powerful antidepressants. You can use them on their own or in a blend.

Also Rosewood and Palmarosa. Rosewood is an endangered species so you may wish to avoid this.

Hope this helps.
 
I agree with Chris on the tree oils usage, also on the use of Grapefruit & melissa, as I am 98% better from ME - I speak from experience as well as being an aromatherapist. I found that using them in a vapouriser was fine, and as they are fairly aromatic but mild I also used them in a footbath.
I would however ask your mother to smell them first as I was very sensitive to smells and certainly could not tolerate Lavender, Marjoram, rosewood, and valerian.
You could also use camomile to ease the panic attacks - but use in a rollerball.
 
That helps enormously, thanks.

VW mentions that Grapefruit and Rose are particularly good for ME, along with Geranium and Tangerine.

I think I'm trying to run before I can walk a bit here and it's so easy to become overfaced by all the options available, especially knowing that oils can work in synergy with each other - it makes me panic a bit that I don't know enough.

After spending several weeks absorbed in books it's great to find a forum where there are real people who can talk back!
 
Go with the grapefruit, it is light, sunny, uplifting and being citrus is 'clean'. Rose is not every ones smell, and it is very expensive. Geranium, - hormonal balancer, - I did not mention this as you did not mention her age or if she is ME affected by hormones, if she is 'menopausal'.... Tangerine again is bright, clear citrus.... Look upon the oils as to where the oil is from. Fruit - Head. Leaves - body. Roots/bark - grounding. Light, Medium, heavy......
Uplifting is the way to start first.... Keep reading - Try Patricia Davies A~Z.
kEEP INCONTACT IF YOU NEED MORE HELP!
 
I've used Valerian in massage and it knocked out the guy I was treating all weekend (he had a high pressured job was always on the go and didn't know how to relax apart from pouring a large scotch on the rocks). I would not want to vapourise Valerian as it has a rather unpleasant smell.

I rather like the idea of the following blend

Bergamot
Geranium
Lavender

You can use the above oils in a burner, bath or as a massage blend.
I also think that drinking Chamomile tea may also be helpful.

Binah
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Just to add, please don't go by the blend strengths that Valerie Worwood gives. You need to halve the number of drops per 10mls of carrier. Another really good oil for helping with anxiety is neroli, although again, this is one of the more expensive ones. But as with melissa, you don't need much as they both can overpower a blend.
 
Yes, I made up a blend of Geranium, Lavender and Bergamot for a tired and stressed friend, and the next time I saw her she virtually bounced into the room! She said 'That stuff's great, I've used the lot!' (I gave her a small mix to see if she liked it)
I had to warn her not to overdose her children on it !

I'm glad to hear others say VW's concentrations are too high, I tried to give my husband a massage to help him sleep and nearly ended up keeping him up all night with the pong!
Her book on children's health seems pretty cautious as far as dosage is concerned.

Thanks so much for all the encouragement x
 
Just to add to all the great info above, when I had post viral fatigue I found that Petitgrain worked wonders for me, but aromas are very personal and I hope you find something just right from everyone's input. Good luck.

Vivien
 
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    Tuesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Tracy & Vivian. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mixed spinner, about 5โ€™1โ€ and 100 lbs. She is very popular for
  33. HolidaySpa:
    Tuesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: CICI, CINDY & JENNY. CICI is a young, slim & beautiful Chinese gem, petite 5โ€™2โ€ & 100 Lbs with firm but soft C Cups & the absolute best of services. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit. Her services are among the best!
  34. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Lulu,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Tina ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Cindy ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  35. Moneylee:
    full season wellness center: NewYoung girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Anika , Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Bobo ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage star ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  36. AmoreSpaEtobicoke:
    AMORE SPA 127 Westmore Drive, Unit 106C Etobicoke, ON M9V 3Y6 โ˜Ž 437-688-2407 โ˜Ž Tuesday at AMORE SPA: CHERRY(10AM-11pm) & Spinner NANA (11am-11pm)[/color] CHERRY is a proven superstar, Slim Asian with a pretty face, all natural A or B Cups, long nipples, slim waist & small round bum. Her services are legendary. Tiny NANA is an unbelievably good Superstar SPINNER, only about 5โ€™2โ€
  37. SugarLoveSpa:
    Tuesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: MIMI, TIFFANY & YARA. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž MIMI is a slim & busty Asian/Euro mix beauty, 50Kgs & 1M60. Mimi has a very versatile range of services. TIFFANY is an amazing slim petite doll with natural 34C melons, slim waist, & a cute little 33โ€ booty. Tiffany has incredible bbbj skills, tastes as sweet as honey
  38. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, New First Day Young Slim Petite Chinese Michelle, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Sexy Chinese Coco, Young Sexy Chinese Abie, Young Sexy CBC Rachel.
  39. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Rita๐ŸฅฐA brand new girl from Northeast China of Russian descent has just arrived, a young sexy beauty with smooth white skin, natural 32C breasts with big juicy nipples and fantastic tight little bum bum waiting to be kissed and spa
  40. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick On Username and FOLLOW USโœ… Today ๐ŸŒธBrandy๐ŸŒธSusan๐ŸŒธFran๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธRebecca โ˜Ž905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ
  41. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจClick On Username and FOLLOW USโœ… Today ๐ŸŒธClaire๐ŸŒธNina๐ŸŒธIsabella โ˜Ž289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ
  42. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix blossom Spa โ™จ๏ธ โ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธ There is a new girl named Ellie Professional Thai Massage ๐Ÿ‘ Finger pressure and acupoint massage ๐Ÿ‘ Hot body slide ๐Ÿ”ฅ Luna nice girl slim figure man's favorite ear kiss ๐Ÿ’‹ Desire Guidance: Welcome to enter or make an appointment at 5124 Dundas W Etobicoke anytime โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366
  43. YM203:
    MoonMoon spa/416 887 8801/8131Yonge st #203 Spanish Latin white skin girl &college student in today
  44. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, New First Day Sexy Chinese Coco, Sexy Chinese Linda, Young Sexy Chinese Abie, Young Sexy CBC Rachel.
  45. andyyc:
    fort st john
  46. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Rose๐ŸŒน - A sexy new addition to our lin
  47. Sparkling Spa:
    Sexy Nympho Summer is working at Sparkling Spa with Service Queen Zoe today. Real pictures of Summer & Zoe๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏCall or text to book appointment ๐Ÿ“ฒ โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY
  48. Q Spa:
    Busty sexy open minded girl Chloe working with Q Spa Legend Selina today! This will be Chloeโ€™s last month before returning to China so hurry and book your appointments with the exotic sultry Chloe before she is gone!!! ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅReal pictures of Chloe๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ Call or text Q Spa 647-739-6866 to book appointment with Selina or Chloe๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿ’ฅ Duo four hand massage also available with Chloe and Selina๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏCall for details and book appointment647-739-6866
  49. SunriseRH:
    MONDAY at ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—ฆ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: JJULIA & LILY. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿฒ โ˜Ž๏ธ JULIA is a slim but curvy Spanish attendant with natural B Cups & a pretty face. She can take a load off your mind. LILY is Chinese, curvy, with big boobs. SUNRISE SPA welcomes you to experience total relaxation in our comfortable, clean, cozy environment.
  50. NewOriental:
    MONDAY at ๐—ก๐—˜๐—ช ๐—ข๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—˜๐—ก๐—ง๐—”๐—Ÿ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: HAPPY, KAT, NAYLA & PHOENIX 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿด๐Ÿญ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž๏ธ HAPPY is a slim & busty Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. KAT is young & slim with C Cups , a tasty figure & a tasty menu. NAYLA is a tall, young, beautiful & curvy Spanish girl. Come and say hola.
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