Video recording in the spa, terb and such

[JEG]

LMAO, on terb, in the massage section, a member ( squee ) decided to call me out on a thread that I posted. It was basically about video recording in a spa. In a civil case, my counsel received a letter just days before a trial, making some hefty allegations INCLUDING criminal action in a civil case.
As a backgrounder, this mpa's mouthpiece refused to respond to my counsel's fax request for info. This is against professionalism. 30 days prior to a trial, evidence is supposed to be exchanged that is to be used at trial. This was not done and because of these actions I hand delivered ( at the 29th day prior ) the notice of trial directly to the defendant. It should be noted that as per the rules of court procedure, the defendant is supposed to keep the court informed of her current address and again failed to do so.
So, here you have it. Court document confirming video recording in a spa.

 

[Sybarite]

Just the cover letter? That's it? Where is the rest of the document?

Like just about every other business pretty much all spas have video cameras in them, so this is not exactly a news flash.

And more than any other business, spas really need cameras, given their late hours (which are also technically not permitted) and the vulnerability of an all female staff (as demonstrated by the recent spate of armed robberies and this particular case, seemingly).

Accordingly there are cameras in the lobbies, in the halls, etc.

Where there are NOT cameras are in the rooms where the sessions take place. Are you alleging otherwise?

 

[JEG]

Just the cover letter? That's it? Where is the rest of the document?

Like just about every other business pretty much all spas have video cameras in them, so this is not exactly a news flash.

And more than any other business, spas really need cameras, given their late hours (which are also technically not permitted) and the vulnerability of an all female staff (as demonstrated by the recent spate of armed robberies and this particular case, seemingly).

Accordingly there are cameras in the lobbies, in the halls, etc.

Where there are NOT cameras are in the rooms where the sessions take place. Are you alleging otherwise?

I make no allegations since we have not been party to the recording. When games are played, shit happens. The other party that has the recording is fully aware that there is no cause of action and chose to involve themselves.
I will say that video is not permitted in Toronto, so a restriction is placed upon spas that are not placed on other businesses, you have to ask yourself why.

yeah, where is the rest of the document, where is the video? The document is vague EXCEPT for threatening criminal.

WHAT BUSINESS WOULD WANT TO INVOLVE THEMSELVES IN SUPPORTING EMPLOYEES ACTING LIKE THIS.... Yup you guessed it a spa

of course you sound hauntling similar to the terb member that chose to bring up the matter.
just saying

 

[Sybarite]

Opening past 9 pm is not permitted in Toronto either, and that restriction is also basically ignored by all the spas, because like the prohibition of any video it is ridiculously stupid.

Obviously just like the late night hours video in the spas is also tolerated by the city, and for very good reason I might add, since this type of video footage is critical to LE successfully prosecuting armed criminals like the one who was recently terrorizing multiple spas in the GTA.

By being vague to me it reads you're darkly hinting clients are being video taped during their sessions. There is a massive difference between video in the hallway and video in the room.

 

[Massxprt]

There is a spa in Mississauga where an attendant whispered in my ear not to say anything inappropriate because there were microphones in the ceilings of the actual rooms. She pointed to the place in the ceiling where it was and said she had actually removed a tile to see it. Said the owner was trying to keep the place legit did it to monitor the behavior in the rooms.

 

[Woody Womb Pecker]

So if he called you out on TERB why are you posting here? Did he hurt your ego or something?

 

[JEG]

There is a spa in Mississauga where an attendant whispered in my ear not to say anything inappropriate because there were microphones in the ceilings of the actual rooms. She pointed to the place in the ceiling where it was and said she had actually removed a tile to see it. Said the owner was trying to keep the place legit did it to monitor the behavior in the rooms.

it really speaks to how some of these spa owners operate their business. They operate outside of all rules.

 

[JEG]

So if he called you out on TERB why are you posting here? Did he hurt your ego or something?

I like this forum... less shilly
it is just another installment to the story found here, plus I know she folliws me here. Good enough?

she may not even know what kind of representation she has. Imagine saying your client is a pimp with 5 girls working for her fucking me to pay a debt down.

 

[playfulfun]

A friend told me about a MPA who recorded her clients without their permission.
The only reason he found out was he started dating her and she showed him their sessions.

 

[LostInnocence]

When you go to Disney World, there are rides where they take your picture and try to sell them to you. It's a completely different type of Magic Mountain that the men on this board enjoy, another ride with ups and downs (and ups and downs and ) ...

 

[ryanm12345]

anyone aware of any cameras at the Premier chain?

 

[LostInnocence]

Another funny true story. I was in a session with Angel and Leah at Flirt at Finch. Angel had just come over from Muse, but Leah's been around for years. Angel is kneeling on one side of the table and there's a mirror behind her, so I said to her, "I'm really enjoying this mirror right now." Leah said to me, "You know it's a two-way mirror, right?" I just waved at the mirror but Angel was getting ready to freak if it was true. And obviously not. Leah had a good laugh at us.

 

[JEG]

Opening past 9 pm is not permitted in Toronto either, and that restriction is also basically ignored by all the spas, because like the prohibition of any video it is ridiculously stupid.

Obviously just like the late night hours video in the spas is also tolerated by the city, and for very good reason I might add, since this type of video footage is critical to LE successfully prosecuting armed criminals like the one who was recently terrorizing multiple spas in the GTA.

By being vague to me it reads you're darkly hinting clients are being video taped during their sessions. There is a massive difference between video in the hallway and video in the room.

LMAO.... Just do what you want because YOU made a choice that you don't like the rules..... That sounds like anarchy

AGAIN... I'll type slow because you need to read it slowly.

THE SPA CHOOSE TO INVOLVE THEMSELVES..... I guess they thought lying is ok ( they choose to involve themselves and threaten criminal action ) more importantly ( to me ), my rep was challenged ( by the spa actions ) and yet I have no access to the video. If you gonna call me a women beater, prepare yourself. The MPA should know what a women beater is, she is engaged or married to one, she made that choice three years ago. Oh and BTW I know the owner, she thinks this is funny. FYI, someone posted on the net saying that anyone that "rolls" (gets involved) with this mpa should watch their back, so the spa was given prior notice.

Further to that, the defense is continuing this course of action, because they are idiots and are alleging more incidents, further threatening criminal action. My assumption is that they are hoping I will go to a spa for a massage, so they can say I came to where the mpa was, so I believe the spa will do this again. So I won't go near any spa, period.

So where the cameras are, who knows.... oh wait the parties ( the spa and mpa ) do... so vague is their choice, just like the lies and games. When the original thread was posted, the trial was in a couple of days. Yes I attended the spa Jan 3 or 4th ( to lazy to look at my records but after the defense's required time to file their evidence ). The MPA at that time stated she would not be attending the trial ( like the previous 3 times she failed ). The fax was sent to my counsel, just 2 days before court (so a 3 week time delay ), just to play games. No video was brought into court. The judge was NOT pleased and told her counsel to subpoena the spa.
If you recall, I said on terb that I would be able to respond, I had to wait for the trial to find out more details. The mouthpiece talked a bunch of BS and said he didn't have in his possession the video ( I do not believe it to be true ). I would have updated on terb if we had access, but I was not privy to the info.
The mouthpiece made a choice by NOT being professional and responding to my counsel's FAX request back in nov/dec. Not updating court records as per the rules of the court.

Yeah, he made his choice to ignore the rules, I guess he thought they were ridiculous. We now have the mouthpiece cornered, because his intent was to provided evidence ONLY at trial, he has now been warned. SO VAGUE IS WHAT WE KNOW.

So none of what has happened is normal, don't expect me to bend over and take this shit cause I won't. The MPA, her mouthpiece and the spa want to play games, everyone should be made aware of the perils of getting involved with these types of people.
Freedom of speech

It was a simple, signed loan agreement, only in a MPA and MP world can this be thought of as something different, this is relevant, I suggest to you the best argument is to let it lie.

 

[JEG]

Where there are NOT cameras are in the rooms where the sessions take place. Are you alleging otherwise?

[QUOTE="Sybarite, post: 1013263, member: 59579

There is a massive difference between video in the hallway and video in the room.[/QUOTE]

ARE YOU STATING AS FACT THAT YOU KNOW WHERE THE CAMERAS ARE?
DID YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE VIDEO?

I stated as fact ( from court document ) that video was used INSIDE the spa, this is in strict contrast to Toronto, so it was a point of discussion. Further I stated that I would provide details when I heard the defense's position and had a chance to see the video first hand. I DO NOT SPEAK OF WHAT I DO NOT KNOW.

BUT

you seem to be know,
I'm curious

Where do you get your info?
If you read the letter from the lawyer, you are saying that I was running around naked in the spa assaulting a MPA.... LMAO

 

[Sybarite]

LMAO.... Just do what you want because YOU made a choice that you don't like the rules..... That sounds like anarchy

AGAIN... I'll type slow because you need to read it slowly.

THE SPA CHOOSE TO INVOLVE THEMSELVES..... I guess they thought lying is ok ( they choose to involve themselves and threaten criminal action ) more importantly ( to me ), my rep was challenged ( by the spa actions ) and yet I have no access to the video. If you gonna call me a women beater, prepare yourself. The MPA should know what a women beater is, she is engaged or married to one, she made that choice three years ago. Oh and BTW I know the owner, she thinks this is funny. FYI, someone posted on the net saying that anyone that "rolls" (gets involved) with this mpa should watch their back, so the spa was given prior notice.

Further to that, the defense is continuing this course of action, because they are idiots and are alleging more incidents, further threatening criminal action. My assumption is that they are hoping I will go to a spa for a massage, so they can say I came to where the mpa was, so I believe the spa will do this again. So I won't go near any spa, period.

So where the cameras are, who knows.... oh wait the parties ( the spa and mpa ) do... so vague is their choice, just like the lies and games. When the original thread was posted, the trial was in a couple of days. Yes I attended the spa Jan 3 or 4th ( to lazy to look at my records but after the defense's required time to file their evidence ). The MPA at that time stated she would not be attending the trial ( like the previous 3 times she failed ). The fax was sent to my counsel, just 2 days before court (so a 3 week time delay ), just to play games. No video was brought into court. The judge was NOT pleased and told her counsel to subpoena the spa.
If you recall, I said on terb that I would be able to respond, I had to wait for the trial to find out more details. The mouthpiece talked a bunch of BS and said he didn't have in his possession the video ( I do not believe it to be true ). I would have updated on terb if we had access, but I was not privy to the info.
The mouthpiece made a choice by NOT being professional and responding to my counsel's FAX request back in nov/dec. Not updating court records as per the rules of the court.

Yeah, he made his choice to ignore the rules, I guess he thought they were ridiculous. We now have the mouthpiece cornered, because his intent was to provided evidence ONLY at trial, he has now been warned. SO VAGUE IS WHAT WE KNOW.

So none of what has happened is normal, don't expect me to bend over and take this shit cause I won't. The MPA, her mouthpiece and the spa want to play games, everyone should be made aware of the perils of getting involved with these types of people.
Freedom of speech

It was a simple, signed loan agreement, only in a MPA and MP world can this be thought of as something different, this is relevant, I suggest to you the best argument is to let it lie.

Thanks for going slowly so my little brain could understand.

Um… since you are such a legal authority I hope you’re aware that pretty much everything the girls do in the rooms is also not permitted.

In a forum like this I think you are seriously overestimating how much desire there is to stop the total anarchy, chaos and madness and have fully clothed attendants giving bare basic massages at spas that close on 5 pm on Sundays (and no video surveillance) as per the requisite bylaws.

Good luck with your rules crusade! Personally I’m fine with civilization just the way it is here at the moment; sounds like you’d fit right in with the morality police in Saudi Arabia.

What I am saying is that is incredibly unlikely that any spas are using video cameras in the room, and that is a very irresponsible accusation to make without firm proof, but conspiracy theorists can swing away.

As for the rest of it, clearly you are the star protagonist of some grand drama in your own mind, but I don’t think anyone else cares or knows what the hell you are talking about.

 

[Sybarite]

[QUOTE="Sybarite, post: 1013263, member: 59579

There is a massive difference between video in the hallway and video in the room.

ARE YOU STATING AS FACT THAT YOU KNOW WHERE THE CAMERAS ARE?
DID YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE VIDEO?

I stated as fact ( from court document ) that video was used INSIDE the spa, this is in strict contrast to Toronto, so it was a point of discussion. Further I stated that I would provide details when I heard the defense's position and had a chance to see the video first hand. I DO NOT SPEAK OF WHAT I DO NOT KNOW.

BUT

you seem to be know,
I'm curious

Where do you get your info?
If you read the letter from the lawyer, you are saying that I was running around naked in the spa assaulting a MPA.... LMAO[/QUOTE]











I don't know anything about your case beyond what I've read in the forums... you are seriously confused and talking to yourself.

With regard to video you are the one implying cameras in the rooms. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

My info is simply common sense. The spas would be insane to film anything in the rooms. That doesn't mean it's literally impossible, just incredibly unlikely.

I have no proof you are not a wife beater. Does that mean that you are?

And don't get all worked up it's just a hypothetical question, analogous to the same one you are making.

 

[escapefromstress]

LMAO.... Just do what you want because YOU made a choice that you don't like the rules..... That sounds like anarchy

AGAIN... I'll type slow because you need to read it slowly.

THE SPA CHOOSE TO INVOLVE THEMSELVES..... I guess they thought lying is ok ( they choose to involve themselves and threaten criminal action ) more importantly ( to me ), my rep was challenged ( by the spa actions ) and yet I have no access to the video. If you gonna call me a women beater, prepare yourself. The MPA should know what a women beater is, she is engaged or married to one, she made that choice three years ago. Oh and BTW I know the owner, she thinks this is funny. FYI, someone posted on the net saying that anyone that "rolls" (gets involved) with this mpa should watch their back, so the spa was given prior notice.

Further to that, the defense is continuing this course of action, because they are idiots and are alleging more incidents, further threatening criminal action. My assumption is that they are hoping I will go to a spa for a massage, so they can say I came to where the mpa was, so I believe the spa will do this again. So I won't go near any spa, period.

So where the cameras are, who knows.... oh wait the parties ( the spa and mpa ) do... so vague is their choice, just like the lies and games. When the original thread was posted, the trial was in a couple of days. Yes I attended the spa Jan 3 or 4th ( to lazy to look at my records but after the defense's required time to file their evidence ). The MPA at that time stated she would not be attending the trial ( like the previous 3 times she failed ). The fax was sent to my counsel, just 2 days before court (so a 3 week time delay ), just to play games. No video was brought into court. The judge was NOT pleased and told her counsel to subpoena the spa.
If you recall, I said on terb that I would be able to respond, I had to wait for the trial to find out more details. The mouthpiece talked a bunch of BS and said he didn't have in his possession the video ( I do not believe it to be true ). I would have updated on terb if we had access, but I was not privy to the info.
The mouthpiece made a choice by NOT being professional and responding to my counsel's FAX request back in nov/dec. Not updating court records as per the rules of the court.

Yeah, he made his choice to ignore the rules, I guess he thought they were ridiculous. We now have the mouthpiece cornered, because his intent was to provided evidence ONLY at trial, he has now been warned. SO VAGUE IS WHAT WE KNOW.

So none of what has happened is normal, don't expect me to bend over and take this shit cause I won't. The MPA, her mouthpiece and the spa want to play games, everyone should be made aware of the perils of getting involved with these types of people.
Freedom of speech

It was a simple, signed loan agreement, only in a MPA and MP world can this be thought of as something different, this is relevant, I suggest to you the best argument is to let it lie.

I'm really sorry to hear you're going through all this. It's not easy to deal with legal issues in an industry that's got so many shady characters operating in it, and it's really hard to know who to trust.

I admire your courage in dealing with it legally. Keep us posted as to the outcome.

 

[JEG]

[QUOTE="Sybarite, post: 1013219, member: 59579
[/QUOTE]

I spent 3 hours of my time PLUS costs to obtain this



So, 2 months after this alleged incident, nothing, to this day, nothing... Is the spa alleging something else?
So games have REAL consequences

Just Saying

 

[JEG]

ARE YOU STATING AS FACT THAT YOU KNOW WHERE THE CAMERAS ARE?
DID YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE VIDEO?

I stated as fact ( from court document ) that video was used INSIDE the spa, this is in strict contrast to Toronto, so it was a point of discussion. Further I stated that I would provide details when I heard the defense's position and had a chance to see the video first hand. I DO NOT SPEAK OF WHAT I DO NOT KNOW.

BUT

you seem to be know,
I'm curious

Where do you get your info?
If you read the letter from the lawyer, you are saying that I was running around naked in the spa assaulting a MPA.... LMAO

I don't know anything about your case beyond what I've read in the forums... you are seriously confused and talking to yourself.

With regard to video you are the one implying cameras in the rooms. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

My info is simply common sense. The spas would be insane to film anything in the rooms. That doesn't mean it's literally impossible, just incredibly unlikely.

I have no proof you are not a wife beater. Does that mean that you are?

And don't get all worked up it's just a hypothetical question, analogous to the same one you are making.[/QUOTE]

Please provide proof of statement, never was any implication made, implications ( of criminal acts )came from the MP, MPA and mouthpiece

please correct me if I am wrong. I expect you to either

1. show proof
2. retract

Don't go flapping your gums and not back it up, I am already dealing with that shit.

ONCE AGAIN, THE SPA CHOOSE TO INVOLVE THEMSELVES.

 

[JEG]

I'm really sorry to hear you're going through all this. It's not easy to deal with legal issues in an industry that's got so many shady characters operating in it, and it's really hard to know who to trust.

I admire your courage in dealing with it legally. Keep us posted as to the outcome.

LOL, you have got to see how big my balls are.

Fact is, most get away with it, talking to some of the ladies, they told me the mpa in question would tell the other girls about how she got men to "give" her money, she has been involved in 2 prior civil cases and choose to go the route of making criminal threats to avoid a civil matter.

This unfortunately is not a normal civil case, we have tried to be respectful, co-operate but we have only been met with games and lies ( yes shady business/people ) If it was normal, the first lawyer ( 20+ years experience in criminal law ) would have negotiated a settlement and the mpa would have won anyway because I still would have been short. We question her representation because the costs cheque came out of the lawyer's general fund, not the trust account. So I wonder if the lawyer is really experienced. If the MPA responded to my text with her lawyers contact info 3 years ago instead of saying she was going to the police this would NOT have happened, again threatening criminal.

So excuse me if I take a couple ( of what some people perceive as ) unkosher steps, I didn't start the fire.

what is even more shocking to me if you saw her instagram account ( she got rid of it ), it appears to me she wants to talk to me. Yup, I want to go to jail.