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Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. announced in late April that he'd no longer prosecute prostitution and unregulated massage parlors, a move applauded by organizations fighting sex trafficking and labor coercion.

Among them is the Polaris Project, a group that aims to end sex and labor trafficking. CEO Catherine Chen says marginalized women and immigrants suffer violence, discrimination and racism in unregulated situations where trafficking, coercion and desperation leave them few options.

The deaths of six Asian women and two others in three legal Atlanta-area spas in March brought the issue to light, though it's unknown whether those killed performed sexual services.

But other women in massage parlors across the country are sex workers. Boston Globe gender issues reporter Stephanie Ebbert writes how many people lamenting the shootings averted their eyes from the truth of the situation.

โ€œWillful blindness to the sexual exploitation of women in this industry reigns in a society where Asian-American women are still stereotyped as exotic, sexualized, and submissive to men,โ€ she writes.

The shooter, who police say may have been a client of the spas, reportedly told officers that he wanted to eliminate โ€œtemptation.โ€ All three of the spas attacked were listed on websites where men trade referrals and denigrate workers, Ebbert reports.

โ€œRampant racismโ€ and commodification plague these online review boards, Chen says.

Most women who end up in illicit massage businesses are immigrant women, typically ranging from 30 to 70 years old, Chen says.

Poverty can be a driving factor. Many of the immigrant women are coerced into it because they owe money to โ€œloan sharksโ€ who threaten their families and hold titles to their property, she says.

โ€œThey agree to take these jobs, sometimes willingly and sometimes knowingly aware of what is going to be involved, and oftentimes not aware,โ€ Chen says.

The Atlanta-area shootings happened at a time of heightened activism and awareness of hate crimes against Asian Americans. People were poised to be sympathetic. But the role of any kind of sex work in these spas was rarely mentioned โ€” as if that might have made it challenging for people to sympathize with the victims โ€” making for a โ€œtricky situation,โ€ Ebbert says.

She points to how sexism, misogyny and racism are intertwined in this case and with violence.

โ€œIt's kind of impossible to disentangle them,โ€ she says, โ€œbut it's a bigger issue that we're going to need to confront.โ€

Interview Highlights


On online review boards

Ebbert: โ€œThat's the thing that I find most horrific. The way that these women are commodified. They are ranked given star ratings, described in categories based on their appearance and what men say they will be willing to do and for how much money. It's incredibly demoralizing and it's also, in many cases, very racist. You see a lot of descriptions based on ethnicity and a lot of stereotyping. It's all laid out for you to see right there.โ€


On better protections for sex workers

Chen: โ€œVery often, the payment system that women are brought into, these establishments, they're paid barely anything, if anything, and they are expected to make their earnings off of cash tips. And so the coercive nature of an illicit massage business that is engaging in sexual services or prostitution is that you can do a regular massage. You're going to get a $10 tip or a $5 tip. But if you perform a sexual service, you're going to get $100 or $120. And so if poverty is a driver for you, you're going to do what you need to do to feed your kids.

โ€œThere was a really important study done by John Chin and Lois Takahashi, who looked at 116 Chinese and Korean women who had been working in illicit massage businesses in New York and [Los Angeles] and what they showed, one, is that 40% of the women who they interviewed out of the 116 people, [said] they had been forced to perform sex by a client in the last year. So the amount of sexual assault, sexual harassment, rape, violence and abuse going on inside of illicit massage businesses is infuriating. And for us, what we want to see is law enforcement tackle that much more than tackling whether or not a massage business exists or not, because we ultimately want to see workers who are inside of these businesses protected from the violence that's happening to them.

โ€œOf those 116 women, only 8% let their family know what they were doing. And so there is a significant amount of stigma that exists for people who end up in illicit massage businesses. And so when you ask that question about, for the Asian American and Pacific Islander community, why was the first blush to say, let's honor them as people without talking about what they did for a living โ€” those of us in the community, what we saw was a desire to honor the dignity and the aspirations of who these people were before we worried about whether or not what they did for a living was above board or not.โ€

On the time Patriotsโ€™ owner Robert Kraft was caught performing sex acts with a spa worker during a 2019 police sting. He and the other men involved got off lightly, but the women did not.

Ebbert: โ€œ[The women] were prosecuted for felonies. Many of them were in jail for weeks. The men were all free. We're talking about over 200 men who were free and contesting this legally. And the women had all their property seized and their assets seized, their homes where sometimes they had families. While prosecutors tried to build the case. For that story, I spoke with a criminologist. She said this is a situation where law enforcement has egg all over their face. Somebody is going to go down for this โ€” and it's going to be the women.โ€

Chen: โ€œThe headline is that we need to flip the script on how illicit massage businesses are being policed right now. We think that workers in illicit massage businesses need to be protected the same way that restaurant workers should be protected, the same way that farm workers should be protected. What we know from the investigations that were related to Mr. Kraft are that many of the women were deported and they were the ones who faced the brunt of the criminal justice system because of what was going on.

โ€œThat for us, it really underscores why we think that criminalizing people inside of illicit massage businesses or anyone in prostitution doesn't work, because if we arrest people who are already so vulnerable or we arrest people who are victims of crime, it doesn't help build trust with people who are being victimized. And ultimately, because poverty is such a strong driver for how people end up in these situations in the first place, when you slap a criminal record on somebody, it makes it impossible for them to get social services. It makes it impossible for them to get public benefits, and it drives them toward a cycle where the only option they have is to be in an underground or illicit economy.โ€

On New York district attorneyโ€™s decision to no longer prosecute prostitution and unregulated massage parlors

Chen: โ€œWe definitely applaud what District Attorney Vance has done. And I think the one distinction that I do want to make: The anti-trafficking community, many of us think that full decriminalization of prostitution, meaning that you also decriminalize the men on the john boards and things like that, that that's not the solution, because we ultimately see the trafficking victims very often want to see sex buyers held accountable for the violence that they perpetrate. But we do want to see law enforcement pivot so that they're protecting the workers inside of these establishments, as opposed to only protecting the communities from the establishments themselves.โ€

On what can be done moving forward

Ebbert: โ€œI think it is important to pay attention and to not deny. [That] does not, however, call for us to act individually, because if it is an illicit massage business run by a criminal network, you certainly don't want to go in there. And many of [the workers], they will have a hard time admitting the situation that they're in to a stranger. They are not going to ask you for help if you offer it to them.โ€

Chen: โ€œI think that culturally appropriate services are a key part of this, right. You have to be working with service providers who speak the many, many, many different languages that people speak inside of those illicit massage businesses. Because the whole point when you're in a coercive experience like this is to make sure that you don't trust law enforcement, to make sure that you are afraid that immigration is going to come and deport you. And it's used as a coercive tactic to keep people in place.โ€


Karyn Miller-Medzon produced and edited this interview for broadcast with Jill Ryan. Serena McMahon adapted it for the web.


This segment aired on May 3, 2021.
 
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  38. AliceSpa:
    THURSDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 girls here today at ALICE SPA. Open to 9pm: *New Girl BELLA: is a cute European lady with blonde hair & blue eyes, busty E Cups, curvy body & sweet slow service. KITTY): is a new Korean girl, super busty, small body, new to the business. Very friendly, no rush, dfk, bbbj, cim, cof, rim, titf*k
  39. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800๏ผŒopen10 to10.we have 4young beautiful girls working everyday,๐Ÿ’„Sunny is very friendly nice girl,providing deep tissue massage and nice body slide ๐Ÿ’„ new girl Judy very good looking,big breasted service queen,girl friend experience,๐Ÿ’„Mina is long hair sexy ,she know what do you need,must try๐Ÿท๐Ÿท๐Ÿฅฐ
  40. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Summer -๐Ÿ”ฅA sexy sultry part time Korean student with a wild and crazy addictive pe
  41. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Anna๐Ÿ˜˜- A stunning sexy girl from Hong K
  42. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage kasa ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs coco ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Tina ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  43. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Suki๐Ÿ˜is beautiful short petite tiny sexy student from Cambodia. Exotic features and model looks, Suki has a nice bum, slim waist, flat stomach and very good massage skills and has a great playful personality. Suki has a beautiful
  44. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Anika , Student pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Michelle,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  45. Red Rose Spa:
    ASHA, ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ANAYA, ANGEL, LUCY, NISHA, MEERA, ANGELINA, NUR ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  46. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธSusan๐ŸŒธIsabella๐ŸŒธFran๐ŸŒธCassy Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  47. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธLuLu๐ŸŒธLuna๐ŸŒธJazminCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  48. ASPA:
    ๐—ง๐—›๐—จ๐—ฅ๐—ฆ๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—”๐—ง ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Fox, Coco & ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น[/color] ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ FOX is 26 years old with 34Cโ€™s, stands 164Cm tall and weighs 54Kg. Fox is very friendly and can provide a great girlfriend experience. COCO medium build
  49. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Jennifer & Tracy. Anida is a slim Asian babe with a small waist and great bum. Anita has excellent massage, oral and other skills. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true.
  50. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธEMILY, LUCY & CINDY. EMILY is a VERY tiny petite SPINNER superstar of the highest quality. Emily has a pretty face, natural A Cups, slim waist, and a lovely spinner bottom, topped off with the very best of services. LUCY is a beautiful and slim Asian lady with a happy disposition and great services.
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