Akira from Premier is she gone gone?

Indy providers span the whole range of quality. The ones that last and build a steady clientele donโ€™t short you on time, usually entering the location and first shower are not included in your time unless she joins you in the shower or you arrive late or take a very long time in the bathroom getting ready. The good and bad of independents are they are their own boss (if they are bad with time management or scheduling then your experience will be a disaster) on the other hand if you are nice and donโ€™t push boundaries and they have time they will sometimes include extra time for free as they are not fined by an agency or SPA.

In terms of pricing some girls try to discourage shorter sessions with higher rates or donโ€™t take bookings of shorter sessions altogether. For example Jenn Perla used to not take 1 hour bookings until she raised her rates to 500 HR and 1.5 HR booking became $750. She now offers 1 HR but charges $550 to discourage people from booking the shorter session. Some of the girls do charge extra on top of the hourly fee for some items such as BBFS, Rimming, Greek etc. In terms of tipping above the hourly fee you donโ€™t need to do it.

In terms of service the quality ones do provide a better experience then at the SPA case in point Emily Sweets as I think her service as an Indy is better then what you get at Pure/Perla now. As mentioned by other posters a lot of girls tried to go Indy but their service/price wasnโ€™t attractive to people and they ended back at the SPA.

This is a great answer thanks. So to be clear, a session that's an hour long is considered a "shorter session" and something they would prefer to avoid whenever possible? I'm surprised that these girl's clients are mostly doing sessions well over an hour at those rates, but I guess they have enough of them to make it worthwhile even when it's a smaller pool of clients.

For the rest of us it's rather unfortunate to be spending $400-$600 for an hour and still feeling like a cheapskate!

When the girls opt to provide extra time how do they let you know? It seems most working girls feel very strongly about not wanting clients to linger past their time, so how do you know when you completely have the green light and don't have to worry about this? Thanks again.
 
This is a great answer thanks. So to be clear, a session that's an hour long is considered a "shorter session" and something they would prefer to avoid whenever possible? I'm surprised that these girl's clients are mostly doing sessions well over an hour at those rates, but I guess they have enough of them to make it worthwhile even when it's a smaller pool of clients.

For the rest of us it's rather unfortunate to be spending $400-$600 for an hour and still feeling like a cheapskate!

When the girls opt to provide extra time how do they let you know? It seems most working girls feel very strongly about not wanting clients to linger past their time, so how do you know when you completely have the green light and don't have to worry about this? Thanks again.
Some girls will absolutely never give you free extra time but for others they see it as sort of a marketing expense to keep good clients normally you wonโ€™t get it on your first visit but you will need to see them a couple times and very rarely does it include sexual activity most of the time it is social in nature and the girl will let you know. For example she may ask if you want to stay for a cup of coffee or a glass of wine, in some cases dinner. If she is giving you a massage at the end of your session she may just keep going. Or before the session starts she may tell you that she has some free time after the session due to a cancellation etc. and you can stay for x time.
 
Don't count on extra time. She's likely got another client coming and needs to get ready. She'll let you know when you're time is up, don't worry about it. But when she starts hinting, that means it's time to leave, not linger.

I'd say I've only gotten extra time 20% of the time or less. It's usually when they don't have another client booked and they like your company. If you go in expecting it, you'll probably be disappointed.
 
So in the rare instances where they are clearly signalling you can stay for a bit longer for non-sexual time when they don't have a client right after you, is this time they expect or want to be paid or tipped for, or if it's strictly for marketing then it's just your continued frequent patronage that is the goal?
 
So in the rare instances where they are clearly signalling you can stay for a bit longer for non-sexual time when they don't have a client right after you, is this time they expect or want to be paid or tipped for, or if it's strictly for marketing then it's just your continued frequent patronage that is the goal?
I would not say it is rare, I would say it is rare for the average customer. The smart girls know to look after their VIP clients (big spenders/tippers) so that they continue to spend on them. Even in the SPA setting you see the same dynamic though it has to be outside the SPA.

For example take Sasha at Pure if you look at her client Jโ€™s Secret who spends a lot on her she sees him outside the SPA and Sexyfriends Agency and does not charge him for all the time, on the other hand the guy Candyman on this board wanted to see her outside the SPA but he wasnโ€™t a big spender so she never went.

Another example is Olivia at Pure her Pet B used to spend a lot of money on her but she took him for granted as a result he reduced his spending on her and started to spend it on other girls.

It is not just free time another thing the girls do is certain gifts like chocolate or wine they recycle to other clients, for example if Client A gives them a bottle of wine they may regift it to client B.
 
Facially she's just ok for me but she's got a nice body. Has anyone here seen her as an indy, is her service better than at Perla? Because in the spa I found her service on the lighter end of GFE.
 
Facially she's just ok for me but she's got a nice body. Has anyone here seen her as an indy, is her service better than at Perla? Because in the spa I found her service on the lighter end of GFE.
Interested too if someone wants to DM me
 
I would not say it is rare, I would say it is rare for the average customer. The smart girls know to look after their VIP clients (big spenders/tippers) so that they continue to spend on them. Even in the SPA setting you see the same dynamic though it has to be outside the SPA.

For example take Sasha at Pure if you look at her client Jโ€™s Secret who spends a lot on her she sees him outside the SPA and Sexyfriends Agency and does not charge him for all the time, on the other hand the guy Candyman on this board wanted to see her outside the SPA but he wasnโ€™t a big spender so she never went.

Another example is Olivia at Pure her Pet B used to spend a lot of money on her but she took him for granted as a result he reduced his spending on her and started to spend it on other girls.

It is not just free time another thing the girls do is certain gifts like chocolate or wine they recycle to other clients, for example if Client A gives them a bottle of wine they may regift it to client B.
This is because Candyman is not a cuck fool like you are (since you're clearly the other two people you've alluded to).

See, I spend a bit of my money on these girls when I get bored, but am always in complete control. You, on the other hand, pour all your money into these women, shower them in gifts, take them to Jamaica free of charge, and top that all off by putting on a leash and letting them walk you around your condo as you wear a leather dog suit and ball gag with your two inch penis hanging out.

(who wants pictures??!!!)

This makes me a mostly normal guy with excellent control over his finances and personal life). This makes you a pathetic man bitch with a two inch penis and a huge hole in his credit card.

I like my side of the equation better.
 
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Is Akira a real Japanese girl? Or fake Chinese pretending to be Japanese.

If realโ€ฆwhere can I see her this weekend?
 
Is Akira a real Japanese girl? Or fake Chinese pretending to be Japanese.

If realโ€ฆwhere can I see her this weekend?
AFAIK she's Japanese.

Her schedule and rates are on her website, which I think were linked to already.

Facially she's just ok for me but she's got a nice body. Has anyone here seen her as an indy, is her service better than at Perla? Because in the spa I found her service on the lighter end of GFE.
I think her service is a bit better as an Indy. She certainly seems more relaxed, which probably helps. I do think her SF2 suffers a bit in the hotel showers vs the ones at Perla, for whatever that's worth.

The caveat here is that I'd seen Akira more than a few times at Perla so I wasn't exactly an unfamiliar face going to see her as an indy. So there's no real awkwardness, and we just kind of let things go where they go, and I know I can have a good time.

So I think my experience is going to be different compared to someone who is seeing her for the first time.

And no, I've never showered her with gifts or anything of that nature. Just being respectful and a repeat client seems to work well for me.
 
This is because Candyman is not a cuck fool like you are (since you're clearly the other two people you've alluded to).

See, I spend a bit of my money on these girls when I get bored, but am always in complete control. You, on the other hand, pour all your money into these women, shower them in gifts, take them to Jamaica free of charge, and top that all off by putting on a leash and letting them walk you around your condo as you wear a leather dog suit and ball gag with your two inch penis hanging out.

(who wants pictures??!!!)

This makes me a mostly normal guy with excellent control over his finances and personal life). This makes you a pathetic man bitch with a two inch penis and a huge hole in his credit card.

I like my side of the equation better.
These pics exist?
 
These pics exist?
The pics of Jโ€™s secret are on Sasha twitter, though I am not Jโ€™s Secret. Personally I donโ€™t understand why this guy Candyman gets triggered by some of these girls clients as they donโ€™t impact him. Even though he claims he hasnโ€™t seen the girls in over a year he keeps messaging Sasha on Twitter even though she doesnโ€™t care and he was blocked by Olivia on Twitter. He must have a very fragile ego.
 
The pics of Jโ€™s secret are on Sasha twitter, though I am not Jโ€™s Secret. Personally I donโ€™t understand why this guy Candyman gets triggered by some of these girls clients as they donโ€™t impact him. Even though he claims he hasnโ€™t seen the girls in over a year he keeps messaging Sasha on Twitter even though she doesnโ€™t care and he was blocked by Olivia on Twitter. He must have a very fragile ego.
Whatโ€™s her Twitter handle? I donโ€™t kink shame ๐Ÿ˜†
 
Facially she's just ok for me but she's got a nice body. Has anyone here seen her as an indy, is her service better than at Perla? Because in the spa I found her service on the lighter end of GFE.
She was far from the lighter side of GFE at Perla.
 
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    ๐Ÿซฆ Yoyo & Noor are her today ๐Ÿ’‹ ๐Ÿ“ž๐Ÿ“ฒ (647) 325-8086 ๐Ÿ’ฆ We have Hot & Sexy Girls Every Day. ๐Ÿ’‹ They all do Extra Services & are Very Open-Minded ~ Drop In Anytime ๐Ÿšถโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿšถโ€โžก๏ธ Walk-Ins Are Always Welcome! Unit 27, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill
  33. #203MoMo&Beauty:
    MoonMoon spa/416 887 8801/8131Yonge st #203 open mind Cuban girl (Mimi ) &Asian girl in today
  34. Newspring@:
    โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธsexy hot Singapore ๐ŸŒธJapanese ๐ŸŒธindian girl working at๐Ÿ’“๐Ÿ’“ Nu spring spa โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ
  35. AliceSpa:
    THURSDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 girls here today at ALICE SPA. Open to 9pm: *New Girl BELLA: is a cute European lady with blonde hair & blue eyes, busty E Cups, curvy body & sweet slow service. KITTY): is a new Korean girl, super busty, small body, new to the business. Very friendly, no rush, dfk, bbbj, cim, cof, rim, titf*k
  36. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800๏ผŒopen10 to10.we have 4young beautiful girls working everyday,๐Ÿ’„Sunny is very friendly nice girl,providing deep tissue massage and nice body slide ๐Ÿ’„ new girl Judy very good looking,big breasted service queen,girl friend experience,๐Ÿ’„Mina is long hair sexy ,she know what do you need,must try๐Ÿท๐Ÿท๐Ÿฅฐ
  37. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Summer -๐Ÿ”ฅA sexy sultry part time Korean student with a wild and crazy addictive pe
  38. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Anna๐Ÿ˜˜- A stunning sexy girl from Hong K
  39. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage kasa ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs coco ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Tina ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  40. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Suki๐Ÿ˜is beautiful short petite tiny sexy student from Cambodia. Exotic features and model looks, Suki has a nice bum, slim waist, flat stomach and very good massage skills and has a great playful personality. Suki has a beautiful
  41. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Anika , Student pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Michelle,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  42. Red Rose Spa:
    ASHA, ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ANAYA, ANGEL, LUCY, NISHA, MEERA, ANGELINA, NUR ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  43. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธSusan๐ŸŒธIsabella๐ŸŒธFran๐ŸŒธCassy Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  44. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธLuLu๐ŸŒธLuna๐ŸŒธJazminCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  45. ASPA:
    ๐—ง๐—›๐—จ๐—ฅ๐—ฆ๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—”๐—ง ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Fox, Coco & ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น[/color] ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ FOX is 26 years old with 34Cโ€™s, stands 164Cm tall and weighs 54Kg. Fox is very friendly and can provide a great girlfriend experience. COCO medium build
  46. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Jennifer & Tracy. Anida is a slim Asian babe with a small waist and great bum. Anita has excellent massage, oral and other skills. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true.
  47. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธEMILY, LUCY & CINDY. EMILY is a VERY tiny petite SPINNER superstar of the highest quality. Emily has a pretty face, natural A Cups, slim waist, and a lovely spinner bottom, topped off with the very best of services. LUCY is a beautiful and slim Asian lady with a happy disposition and great services.
  48. SugarLoveSpa:
    Thursday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: LINDA, LUNA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž LINDA is a beautiful young Asian mix girl, 60Kgs with big D Cup boobs with pointy nipples, very friendly, bbbj and many services. LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything.
  49. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young cute Tina 30โ€™s with curve body open mind and young fun Ivy 30โ€™s with big buttocks open mind, pretty GFE Lina and young sweet Vivian 22โ€™s are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  50. Sunrise Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿซฆ Yoyo & Noor are here Today! ๐Ÿ“ž๐Ÿ“ฒ (647) 325-8086 ๐Ÿ’ฆ We have Hot & Sexy Girls Every Day. ๐Ÿ’‹ They all do Extra Services & are Very Open-Minded ~ Drop In Anytime ๐Ÿšถโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿšถโ€โžก๏ธ Walk-Ins Are Always Welcome! Unit 27, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill
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