Terrible Experience at Seduction (New girl Victoria)

[Hobbyist0912]

I Agree with you LAZYBOY sounds like this guy is just angry at hot chicks for not dropping on there knees as soon as he enters a room!

We are not talking about 'hot chicks'... We are talking about a service provider that is taking your money to provide you with a service. And I did not expect them to be on their knees when I enter the room. I think people who actually read my post would understand.

 

[thunderfromdownunder]

Your trying to barter with a drunk young girl who has what you want. Did you expect to come out on top..?? Ahaha

Seduction is not pure or Perla or flirt
It's a frat house with young whores who use drugs or booze to get thru seeing guys that look like there dads. Yes there hot girls..yes there young ..so partying comes along with it.

She said 180..you should have walked.
So you expected they where going to calculate the amount you paid minus the time you spent x the amount of cum that came out your cock + the amount of times the moon rotated around the earth ÷ emc squared ... come on bro .

Chalk it up under a shitty session at seduction and move on. Thanks for sharing . Have not seen a really good review of Victoria. Just Count your losses . I had a few there as well but more good than bad.

New Young pussy has a way of bringing you back .

Lol

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[Hobbyist0912]

Seduction has turned into a no go spa for me. It’s not my style. All the girls there are classless white trash. All tattooed up With alcohol, smoking and drug problems. But what I really don’t like is the lack of sensuality in the sessions. It’s all about business and full service there. I know a lot of people like that stuff, but I go there to relax and have a good time. Not just bang whores. The girls need to take a lesson from Perla in sensuality. But I guess it’s easier to just suck and fuck then make an effort to do a good body slide.

In all fairness, I have had good sessions at seduction as well. I have had sessions with Katie that were topnotch. Also, Stephanie and Samantha are really nice managers with great people skills. As I said before, experiences like this don't happen often, but when they do happen you really get to see how much they actually value your business.

At premier and flirt, this is far less likely to happen. But if it does happen, they will make sure you are happy when you walk out.

 

[Hobbyist0912]

Ah, so you did make your own thread. Anyway, I put my 2 cents in that other thread and am too lazy to repeat here. Stuff like this happens at other spas too. Premier and Flirt as well. Personally, I think you handled it all wrong and let your emotions, immaturity and over entitled sense of self righteousness make a bad situation worse... but that's just my opinion. Take it with a double handful of salt.

Thanks for your two cents lazy boy. I agree that similar incidents may happen at premier and flirt (even though less likely), but I just personally think they would handle it better.

It's always easier to look back and analyze a situation and know all the right/wrong decisions in retrospect. This was more about posting my experience, but I do appreciate the two cents which was taken with a grain of salt

 

[LazyBoy]

Two wrongs don't make a right, but three left turns can!

 

[thunderfromdownunder]

Thanks for your two cents lazy boy. I agree that similar incidents may happen at premier and flirt (even though less likely), but I just personally think they would handle it better.

It's always easier to look back and analyze a situation and know all the right/wrong decisions in retrospect. This was more about posting my experience, but I do appreciate the two cents which was taken with a grain of salt

The way I see it, Seductions entire value proposition is that they are constantly hiring new girls every week. That comes with the disadvantage of quality control for the advantage of getting fresh meat that most guys crave, including me.

So when you compare it to Premier who's had the same aging roster (I don't even remember when the last time I've seen a new attendant mentioned), of course Premier is gonna deliver a more consistent experience. I'd say both the average age and years of experience may be significantly higher than Seduction. For me I love trying new girls as I find it more exciting than the same polished routine from someone who has 5 years of experience. But if that's what you're looking for then of course that's a better choice.

And it's like what another poster said. If you were expecting them to count out every second and prorate your 10 minute and 2 second handjob fee, I think that's a being a bit unrealistic.

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[krayjee]

My rule of thumb in this hobby is never to haggle or bargain with the girl. Walk if she is not your type. Know the rates, pay in advance to get the money out of the way, pay a little extra if you like what you see. It never fails me.

 

[FAT DICK]

@OP Thanks for sharing your experience. I have been hobbying for several years. While most of my sessions have been positive at Seduction, there have been a few bad ones but not as bad as yours.

Believe me, I have had this type of horrible experience at Pure Spa but they made it up for it by offering a full credit on a future session. Similarly, I had a bad session (not as bad as yours) at Seduction Keele about a couple of years ago but the owner of Seduction made it up for the entire session.

What Seduction should have done is refund you $40 and at minimum $100 credit towards a future session which results into a free 30 mins session minus tips for extras.

Thanks again for sharing!

 

[Buzzkill]

Thanks for your two cents lazy boy. I agree that similar incidents may happen at premier and flirt (even though less likely), but I just personally think they would handle it better.

It's always easier to look back and analyze a situation and know all the right/wrong decisions in retrospect. This was more about posting my experience, but I do appreciate the two cents which was taken with a grain of salt

Ya, I’ve had some good and some bad experiences at Seduction. For the most part, I’ve moved them to last on my list of spa’s to visit.

I’ve had a couple of relatable bad experiences at Seduction. When they also owned Vaughan Spa, I booked Leela showed up she was a no show, it happened a couple of times. Receptionist contacted the owner, who gave me a free door fee and when I did finally see Leela it was a great session, ended up seeing her again.

Second one is more like your experience. I can’t remember names of who I booked, it was awhile ago, and I’ve posted it here before. But anyway, I booked the girl I wanted to see, while waited this other girl comes out to say hello, smoking hot, after she leaves I say was that the girl I booked and receptionist says no, wait til you see her. Anyway I go to the room and in walks the girl from the waiting room, ok, she’s hot, we start the session and I can’t touch her anywhere and everything is a problem, 5mins in I realize she had a bunch of bad reviews on here. I stop the session tell her to get out and tell the receptionist to bring in the girl I booked. She stormed off and the other girl came in and all was good.

It’s true, the girls are younger and super hot, but have no experience in no pun intended, Seduction...it’s all wham bam thanks...not all but most.

You should have just taken the money and the credit and chalked it up to lousy service...not saying you’ll never be back, cuz realistically you will...try as we might the kitty gets us every time, otherwise they’d be out of business

 

[Craig_45671234523__]

Dude I gave up on these expensive spas a long time ago. Now I just stick to Asian spas or other cheaper alternatives in case I do get scammed there won't be too much damage. I tend to stick to the girl who is smiling and happy when they greet me. I think you should do the same to get the best bang for your bucks. I also will try to avoid neurotic, tattooed, crazy, and drugged-out girls all the time at the MPA scene.

 

[Patriots1986]

Agree with LAZYBOY. You sound like you tried to haggle and then got mad when you blew your load too fast and then tried to get a free door fee out of it.

Sucks that you had a bad time but next time pay the fee or just see a different girl.. Also why not post this from your main account??

 

[pussylicious]

Seductions was never a place for more of a slow, sensual, "seductive" experience LOL As what many here have said, it's a straight up brothel filled with young, inexperienced party girls who are looking for quick cash. Nothing wrong with that at all quite frankly as I usually love to drop by the place after a night of drinking myself for a quick romp. Anyone remember when adrianna was there? I'd walk out even more drunk than I was after seeing her!

 

[sqwas]

My rule of thumb in this hobby is never to haggle or bargain with the girl. Walk if she is not your type. Know the rates, pay in advance to get the money out of the way, pay a little extra if you like what you see. It never fails me.

This never fails. Really is the best general advice to anyone

 

[Patriots1986]

Did you see any reviews on this forum for this new girl? -
I don't go unless I see a good review on someone. Do your homework first dude..
2nd, you should have walked the minute she said $180 if that was too much for you, but in all honesty, I think the minute you declined the duo,
that in effect made the girls think twice about you.
Don't haggle!!!!!!!!! fuck- for a few extra bucks you could have had the fuck of your life....
There's been a few times where I knew I was being overcharged and you know what, I let it be. Now I have their phone numbers, been to their houses and get the best fucking service out there!! You know what i mean dude? Cash talks, bullshit walks in my books and in theirs...
You got to let them win too.. and in life, you have to let the other side win a few times to keep the happy medium...
If you treat them like a price point, that's what you will get. Mechanical, not into you service!!!
You say you've been around but created this new account not to expose yourself. what are you afraid of?
Best of luck going forward.

My thoughts exactly!! I’ve seen a few girls from there and while pricey I always got top notch service... Act like a cheap asshole and piss the girl off you basically guaranteed a bad session

 

[UsefulIdiot]

My 2nd time as a rookie in this hobby was a bad time. I told the girl this isnt working, paid the fee and left after 20 minutes.
Chalk it up to a learning experience.
When I get a good thing, I stick with and ride that train to bliss....

I will second you on this. The whole hobby thing for me is an adventure - different MPAs, different parts of town, different experiences. Some gems, some disappointments. I use this forum both for information, and to promote the gems I find and warn about the bad experiences. Whatever we relate there are are hundreds of guys who have the same experiences but say nothing, so MPs and MPAs should pay attention to this forum and course correct.

One more thing - after 20 years in business I have learned that things go much better if you start things amicably - your smile is your greatest asset. When people like you and are comfortable with you they are more forgiving when issues arise and are more likely to work with you to resolve them. This goes for both customers and MPAs/MPs.

 

[c1000]

I think some of you guys are treating the OP unfair. He got ripped off by the mpa, no excuses.

My only issue is that he made a fake account to complain. I find that a little weak.

 

[Great gazoo]

Gents,

I just made a second account, as I do not wish the disclose my identity with my main account. I’ve been enjoying this hobby for more than 3 years now, have many reviews here, and I just had my worst experience at seduction spa (Keele) location and with their new girl Victoria.

So I had originally asked for Victoria for 45 minutes. I went in and asked the manager if there are any duo possibilities... she says let me go ask the girls if anyone is comfortable. She comes back in a few minutes and says Britney could join you but you have to pay this much more + this much more tip for both girls. I considered for a bit and said ok I think I’m just gonna stick with Victoria tonight.

I go into the room and Victoria comes in with her breath stinking of alcohol (turn off), but I didn’t say anything and acted like I was very happy with what I’m seeing. Then she says so have you been to the spa before? I say yes, many times. She says well you know what you want? (very business like). I say yes, I want full service. She’s like ok let me think... we have 45 minutes... so that’s gonna be 180(!)... I was naturally surprised and said I normally pay 100 for FS, even in one hour long sessions. She gives me this look like I have murdered her family and she goes WELL THATS NOT GONNA WORK FOR ME! all the while, her stinking breath is not helping. So I go ok well then let’s just do a normal teasing session. She’s like fine! Lay on your back! I said (in a playful way) can just have fun without the massage? She says well you said you want a normal session! I cannot stress how confrontational her tone was in all of these exchanges. So she’s like OK FINE! Grabs my guy and starts jack hammer. I’m like hold on go easy. Could you tease me. She’s like well you said you wanna have fun the whole time! I’m like hold on, why are you being so difficult? Did I offend you? She’s like “well first you come in and you say you want to do a duo with my friend. AND YOU WERENT EVEN SERIOUS! Then you’re trying to get my services for cheap. Of course I’m mad” I’m like well I’m just asking about my options...What's wrong with that? then she grabs my guy again and jack hammer and finished me in 5 minutes. Then says I’ll be back.... I knew she’s not coming back. I put on my clothes and walk out and go to the manager (her name was Lisa). I politely said can I please speak with you and she’s like yes give me a second. She helps another customer and then comes back and says ok what happened?! Turns out Victoria had already spoken with her and intended to leave me in the room on my own(!). At first she was also giving me this look like I had murdered Victoria’s family! So I patiently explained and told her I apologize but I have to be detailed with my description. I told her everything (more detailed than above) and her facial expression changed.

Keep in mind that I was in the room for only 10 minutes. She said ok I’m very sorry for your experience. what I can do is to “make your session a 30 minutes session” and refund you 40 bucks and give you a credit of 40 bucks for next time. I said “I was in the room for only ten minutes. I am not going to visit your establishments ever again if you do not fix this. I have spent so much money in this place”. She said ok let me call the owner. I only have so much power as a manager. She leaves and keeps me wait for another 5-7 minutes. Comes back and repeats what she had said previously(!) with two twenties in her hand and puts them in my hand and repeats “Ok, so we can give you 40 back to make your session a half an hour session and give you 40 dollar credit for your next visit” I got up and threw the 40 bucks on the table and said keep your forty bucks, I am not going to visit your spa again. She looked very surprised (!). I told her 40 bucks is not gonna make me rich and is not gonna make your establishment flourish. It’s about the principle... and walked out. Worst spa experience in all my hobbying experiences over the years. I should also add that I am young fella and in very good shape and my hygene is great.

Have had a few not so great experiences at airport location as well and have seen bad reviews of Seduction spa on this board as well. But I think this experience was the last straw for me. I won’t be visiting seduction ever again and I suggest the same to fellow hobbyists. An experience like this will never happen at premier or flirt. Those guys are pros... Don't get me wrong. I think sometimes there could be friction between the client and the MP... It comes down to how the manager and how the owner are willing to fix it in order to respect your business, maintain it, and even increase it.

I think girls at seduction really need to understand that they are getting paid, very handsomely i might add, to provide a professional service. We are not at a bar or a party to get drunk, get paranoid and offended, and have illogical arguments with the client with stinking breath...

Have a good night gentlemen.

Ok I’ll take a stab at this from another angle,

but first thanks to the OP and the many responders, most of whom have already made clear the specifics of the trade at seduction and various other better ways of handling things...

this has become an interesting thread
so here’s the angle: DUO

at the time of Covid you’ve booked a single session but go in and request a duo on the spur of the moment

first of all, flirt is a better outfit for multiple MPAs, but anyway if you are considering a duo I would recommend first striking a regular relationship with someone you have sessions with alone for a little bit and then ask THEM who they are comfortable teaming up with, if they do it all...

you requested a duo - unannounced - they actually sort one out for you (good for them) and tell you a price - girls are in the back ready to go and getting ready

then you back off

manager has to go back again and say game off

you now look like a dweeb before your original booked girl even sees you
And that’s all on you IMO

you asked for a wish that being a duo (in difficult times even)
It was granted
You reneged
Your little head got the better of yiu
It never plans well

your MPA was miffed before she opened the door

plan ahead - with the head above your shoulders - before you enter the spa

 

[luvnewpussy]

New young girls 18 yrs old weed smoke..booze..music blasting hot chicks trying to make some quick money. Some addicted. No makeup , girl next door = this is seduction

Same girl..relaxed spa music, sensual service , perfume , routine is followed to the tee, experienced girls ,done up with hair and nails = Premire

These is no better one..its preference and its variety. I have Bbfs, cbj ,Thressome ,rimming , cimsw. At both seduction and premiere. I change when I get tired of one scenario. .too many drunk sessions..I change to Premier..need some new young pussy..I head back to seduction

The attraction to seduction is finding that new girl who just started and the great variety they bring. Never the same old story. Agian I've had more memorable experiences at seduction than bad ones.

Asian spas are when I'm just bored and get the urge. No planning .no expectations.

 

[Buzzkill]

Ok I’ll take a stab at this from another angle,

but first thanks to the OP and the many responders, most of whom have already made clear the specifics of the trade at seduction and various other better ways of handling things...

this has become an interesting thread
so here’s the angle: DUO

at the time of Covid you’ve booked a single session but go in and request a duo on the spur of the moment

first of all, flirt is a better outfit for multiple MPAs, but anyway if you are considering a duo I would recommend first striking a regular relationship with someone you have sessions with alone for a little bit and then ask THEM who they are comfortable teaming up with, if they do it all...

you requested a duo - unannounced - they actually sort one out for you (good for them) and tell you a price - girls are in the back ready to go and getting ready

then you back off

manager has to go back again and say game off

you now look like a dweeb before your original booked girl even sees you
And that’s all on you IMO

you asked for a wish that being a duo (in difficult times even)
It was granted
You reneged
Your little head got the better of yiu
It never plans well

your MPA was miffed before she opened the door

plan ahead - with the head above your shoulders - before you enter the spa

Nailed it...I think that is exactly what happened.

 

[dtm1973]

My thoughts:
You paid $140 - and were offered $40 cash and $40 in credit ($80) - so you are out $60
You did mess up the Duo talk - it would have been better to 1) ask "in general" the cost or 2) had your session, THEN ask the MPA who she would prefer to duo with and "in case you are interested in the future" how much it would APPROXIMATELY be. Feint saying "ok let me have a session with (MPA2) and see if we click".
The $180 for FS was probably just her pricing herself out of the FS market because she was pissed - not an excuse, I would assume someone would have talked to her.

But yes, if you are gonna ask, dont balk at the price. At Blue Lagoon (Candice) once I paid the $60 door, then $100 room fee (paid up front) then asked for FS. She said +$200 - asked "on top of the $100 already paid?" - yes ... and I paid the $200 and fucked that sweet firm bubble butt ... point is, if you are counting pennies, be careful what you ask pricing for.