Poll Updated tip guidelines for 2025...take the poll

[startbeforeIfinish]

Meh. The MPAs have figured out who I am anyways. To the point of asking me questions about my visits during a session. I don’t exaggerate or say anything misleading or degrading about any MPAs so I don’t care if they know who I am or not.

My main problem, and the reason why I stopped posting, is the other idiot readers of the site can’t seem to figure out YMMV, and are pushy and demanding and generally making the MPA uncomfortable. Ugh.

You got to know that is not me . I have not been to a spa since maybe april but lots of visits independent. I am super nice always. I get taken advantage of and since not a feminist I try to empower the customers vote who are less covered by the Canadian Human Rights Codes although I really like different cultures and women and types of people. Just saying. You do not have to reply.

 

[Lalallala]

You got to know that is not me . I have not been to a spa since maybe april but lots of visits independent. I am super nice always. I get taken advantage of and since not a feminist I try to empower the custumers vote who are less covered by the Canadian Human Rights Codes although I really like different cultures and women and types of people. Just saying. You do not have to reply.

Oh no. Take for example the massage+bj thread. One of the guys there just doesn’t understand that just because one client gets it, he may not. It’s pretty stupid.

 

[notrichguy]

Just dropping this note to thank OG_funguy for helping the community here. It's one of the rare actually useful threads and the data definitely helped me have a baseline and make sure I am not being a cheap ass and also not ruining the scene for everyone else by getting too excited or egotistical and over paying.

 

[funliness]

No, she doesn’t expect $60 tip for a basic HJ. But, like all attendants, she’ll accept a generous tip.

Typically as a rule for all attendants, a HJ tip is only $20-30. Maybe $40 for a longer session (90 minutes). If you get some over the clothes touching (breasts or ass) it goes to $30-40, if you get topless then it’s $40-60 depending on length of session (30-90) and/or how generous you are.

So how much do you guys pay a girl like Fera at lavender - she keeps clothes and mask on but let’s you roam over the clothes like a high school kid and finishes with a HJ. Massage skills are mediocre at best.

 

[Lalallala]

I was somewhere today. They recognized me. The mamasan specifically took me aside into one of the rooms and asked me specifically not to tip more than the low end of the amounts listed here. Well, she didn’t mention the chart but a number that coincided with the low end. Which I thought was interesting that they would do that.

 

[Jumpin’ Jack Flash]

I was somewhere today. They recognized me. The mamasan specifically took me aside into one of the rooms and asked me specifically not to tip more than the low end of the amounts listed here. Well, she didn’t mention the chart but a number that coincided with the low end. Which I thought was interesting that they would do that.

Probably trying to deter extra services provided by the girls.
Years ago Hot Rock had signs posted everywhere including the ceilings that maximum tip to give was $20. It was pretty comical. You needed to get creative on how to give more as all payments were done at front desk. There was one common change room with lockers where you put your stuff.

 

[Alex8789]

So how much do you guys pay a girl like Fera at lavender - she keeps clothes and mask on but let’s you roam over the clothes like a high school kid and finishes with a HJ. Massage skills are mediocre at best.

Not sure about her massage now but if it’s the same like before 40 …50 be generous max .. although I have never seen her at lavender

 

[Hornet]

So how much do you guys pay a girl like Fera at lavender - she keeps clothes and mask on but let’s you roam over the clothes like a high school kid and finishes with a HJ. Massage skills are mediocre at best.

I’ve never seen her.

But for 60 minutes with Lola @ Superior with a little bit of over the clothes touching of the back and butt, I’d tip $40. Her massage skills are superior though. That would be my benchmark.

 

[Ambler]

I’ve never seen her.

But for 60 minutes with Lola @ Superior with a little bit of over the clothes touching of the back and butt, I’d tip $40. Her massage skills are superior though. That would be my benchmark.

$40 would be reasonable for half an hour. I don't know how a lady would be happy with $40 for an hour. If she is a good masseuse, and by all reports she is one of the best, if $40 represents the service level tip, you would think the massage earns a tip in and of itself. I think matching the tip to the room fee for an hour makes sense and have never tipped less myself going back to E & M days where the massage was just as much of the allure as the service.

 

[Lalallala]

$40 would be reasonable for half an hour. I don't know how a lady would be happy with $40 for an hour. If she is a good masseuse, and by all reports she is one of the best, if $40 represents the service level tip, you would think the massage earns a tip in and of itself. I think matching the tip to the room fee for an hour makes sense and have never tipped less myself going back to E & M days where the massage was just as much of the allure as the service.

Hmm.. for a little bit of OTC touching? I guess that’s the confusing part. For basically no touching, a good massage, I think my standard is around what an RMT would charge for an hour. The difference is that an RMT is licensed. I don’t typically partake in OTC touching or anything if I am going for a massage alone, and if I feel satisfied with the massage then I would tip up so that the total spend is around $100-120 total, which is the ballpark for a RMT. The main difference why I go for a massage at these semis vs an RMT is that I feel more comfortable being uncovered at the semis.

An RMT charging $125/hr, all taxable vs a semi making $100/hr (of which the tip isn’t taxed - not sure about room fees), is going to be pretty close in total income, depending on how busy they are.

 

[salon]

Anyone providing a good nude reverse these days?

 

[SpringRoll]

Hmm.. for a little bit of OTC touching? I guess that’s the confusing part. For basically no touching, a good massage, I think my standard is around what an RMT would charge for an hour. The difference is that an RMT is licensed. I don’t typically partake in OTC touching or anything if I am going for a massage alone, and if I feel satisfied with the massage then I would tip up so that the total spend is around $100-120 total, which is the ballpark for a RMT. The main difference why I go for a massage at these semis vs an RMT is that I feel more comfortable being uncovered at the semis.

An RMT charging $125/hr, all taxable vs a semi making $100/hr (of which the tip isn’t taxed - not sure about room fees), is going to be pretty close in total income, depending on how busy they are.

The other SERIOUS advantage of a semilegit place is the HE. Even if you don’t partake (um, I don’t get that part) the option is there.

 

[Lalallala]

Anyone providing a good nude reverse these days?

Isn’t that dependent on you? You just need to pick a body you like and give them a massage.. no?

 

[Lalallala]

The other SERIOUS advantage of a semilegit place is the HE. Even if you don’t partake (um, I don’t get that part) the option is there.

Yeah. The girls don’t understand it either…

 

[SpringRoll]

Yeah. The girls don’t understand it either…

You may be hurting their feelings! Poor things. I never hurt their feelings. LOL

 

[Bmofotp]

This is an interesting topic that needs a strong foundation. The term ‘Tip Guidelines’ may give the impression of a fixed price rather than a poll. While the provided list may reflect market trends, it could also be perceived as setting a standard price for specific services. Additionally, the way ‘services’ or ‘actions’ are listed implies they are necessary for the economic transaction.
Let’s clarify it:

Who	Fee	Actions	Control
Owner	Set Room Fee by Time	Limited to the establishment	Only Fees and Business. Not the girls.
Girl	Set her prices per client	Unlimited in the room	Only her prices and the client.
Client	Pay the Owner and Girls fees	Limited by the agreement.	Nothing

If a business owner exerts control over a girl’s earnings, it constitutes financial coercion. In more extreme cases, it could be considered exploitation under criminal law. Be mindful of the establishments you support. (Ej. Owner: yes is $80 for 1 hour foot massage honey. Girls get $20 from the $80, inside the room the girl needs to “negotiate” more tips.)

Girls control the service price , they have no set limits on the money they can earn or the actions they choose to take. Additionally, they bear no liability toward clients or the establishment. With that in mind, be cautious when selecting a girl. (Ej: if you want to pay $100, go where is ok $100. If want to pay $250, where is ok $250. There is a place and price for you)

Clients, on the other hand, are 100% liable. They walk in, choose a girl, and request a service. Before making a request, consider the implications carefully. (Ej. Client: I want DATY, DFK and Pussy Slide, ok. $TAG. Remember that day she did all to you, as yesterday to all 10 them and all 240 for the last month.)

Also, there is no Semi-Spa title, business, organization. The term is a simple fabrication from shillers and is deprecated.

Below is a simplified table of contents outlining the spectrum of Categories and Business Groups.

Categories​	Groups​	License​	Who - And​	Price​	Option 1 = Extra + Tip $$​	Option 2 = Extra + Tip $$$​	Option 3 = Extra + Tip $$$$​
Legit	Massage centres or health centres	RMT	Practitioners, Insurance allow	Fixed - tip client choice	---NONE---	---NONE---	---NONE---
Holistic	Holistic Massage centres	Holistic	Holistic practitioners, Insurance maybe allow	Not Fixed	Offers the same as legit, not all offer extra. If available will be HE.	If offers option 1, Depending on attendant, BS	If offers option 2, Depending on attendant FS.
Body Rub	Body Rubs or Rub and Tugs	Body Rub Parlour	Attendants, no insurance	Fixed	Offers rubbing, include BS and HE.	Depending on attendant. BJ	Depending on attendant. FS

* HE= Happy Ending *BS=Body Slide *PS= Pussy Slide *BJ=Blow Job *FS=Full Service.
* Pussy Slide = Extra + Tip $$$ . Ask about this option. This is not include it on BS.
* Full Service means = option 1 + option 2 + intercourse. It do not means or be interpret as "Anything you want".
* Intercourse is vaginal. Extra + Tip = anal.
* This is a baseline for all option. Always ask the attendant for consent before paying for anything beyond this options. Ex. Kissing, Licking, BDSM. Do not assume is included.
* BB's are excluded. It exposed both parties to significant health risks, financial burdens, and social-psychological consequences.

 

[Lalallala]

@Jrok89 this thread

 

[Andyltw]

What about titty job? Is that part of BS or “enhanced”?

 

[SPAfan2020]

This is an interesting topic that needs a strong foundation. The term ‘Tip Guidelines’ may give the impression of a fixed price rather than a poll. While the provided list may reflect market trends, it could also be perceived as setting a standard price for specific services. Additionally, the way ‘services’ or ‘actions’ are listed implies they are necessary for the economic transaction.
Let’s clarify it:

Who	Fee	Actions	Control
Owner	Set Room Fee by Time	Limited to the establishment	Only Fees and Business. Not the girls.
Girl	Set her prices per client	Unlimited in the room	Only her prices and the client.
Client	Pay the Owner and Girls fees	Limited by the agreement.	Nothing

If a business owner exerts control over a girl’s earnings, it constitutes financial coercion. In more extreme cases, it could be considered exploitation under criminal law. Be mindful of the establishments you support. (Ej. Owner: yes is $80 for 1 hour foot massage honey. Girls get $20 from the $80, inside the room the girl needs to “negotiate” more tips.)

Girls control the service price , they have no set limits on the money they can earn or the actions they choose to take. Additionally, they bear no liability toward clients or the establishment. With that in mind, be cautious when selecting a girl. (Ej: if you want to pay $100, go where is ok $100. If want to pay $250, where is ok $250. There is a place and price for you)

Clients, on the other hand, are 100% liable. They walk in, choose a girl, and request a service. Before making a request, consider the implications carefully. (Ej. Client: I want DATY, DFK and Pussy Slide, ok. $TAG. Remember that day she did all to you, as yesterday to all 10 them and all 240 for the last month.)

Also, there is no Semi-Spa title, business, organization. The term is a simple fabrication from shillers and is deprecated.

Below is a simplified table of contents outlining the spectrum of Categories and Business Groups.

Categories​	Groups​	License​	Who - And​	Price​	Option 1 = Extra + Tip $$​	Option 2 = Extra + Tip $$$​	Option 3 = Extra + Tip $$$$​
Legit	Massage centres or health centres	RMT	Practitioners, Insurance allow	Fixed - tip client choice	---NONE---	---NONE---	---NONE---
Holistic	Holistic Massage centres	Holistic	Holistic practitioners, Insurance maybe allow	Not Fixed	Offers the same as legit, not all offer extra. If available will be HE.	If offers option 1, Depending on attendant, BS	If offers option 2, Depending on attendant FS.
Body Rub	Body Rubs or Rub and Tugs	Body Rub Parlour	Attendants, no insurance	Fixed	Offers rubbing, include BS and HE.	Depending on attendant. BJ	Depending on attendant. FS

* HE= Happy Ending *BS=Body Slide *PS= Pussy Slide *BJ=Blow Job *FS=Full Service.
* Pussy Slide = Extra + Tip $$$ . Ask about this option. This is not include it on BS.
* Full Service means = option 1 + option 2 + intercourse. It do not means or be interpret as "Anything you want".
* Intercourse is vaginal. Extra + Tip = anal.
* This is a baseline for all option. Always ask the attendant for consent before paying for anything beyond this options. Ex. Kissing, Licking, BDSM. Do not assume is included.
* BB's are excluded. It exposed both parties to significant health risks, financial burdens, and social-psychological consequences.

thank you. put a lot of time but provided good overview. It is very nice of you to do so. What i like about your info is your tables to spell out the stakeholders' interests: i.e. spa owners and MPAs for money and clients about the type and level of service. This info could be useful for all stakeholders of SPA business, especially new customers and/or even new MPAs. Thank you.

 

[Terun007]

This is an interesting topic that needs a strong foundation. The term ‘Tip Guidelines’ may give the impression of a fixed price rather than a poll. While the provided list may reflect market trends, it could also be perceived as setting a standard price for specific services. Additionally, the way ‘services’ or ‘actions’ are listed implies they are necessary for the economic transaction.
Let’s clarify it:

Who	Fee	Actions	Control
Owner	Set Room Fee by Time	Limited to the establishment	Only Fees and Business. Not the girls.
Girl	Set her prices per client	Unlimited in the room	Only her prices and the client.
Client	Pay the Owner and Girls fees	Limited by the agreement.	Nothing

If a business owner exerts control over a girl’s earnings, it constitutes financial coercion. In more extreme cases, it could be considered exploitation under criminal law. Be mindful of the establishments you support. (Ej. Owner: yes is $80 for 1 hour foot massage honey. Girls get $20 from the $80, inside the room the girl needs to “negotiate” more tips.)

Girls control the service price , they have no set limits on the money they can earn or the actions they choose to take. Additionally, they bear no liability toward clients or the establishment. With that in mind, be cautious when selecting a girl. (Ej: if you want to pay $100, go where is ok $100. If want to pay $250, where is ok $250. There is a place and price for you)

Clients, on the other hand, are 100% liable. They walk in, choose a girl, and request a service. Before making a request, consider the implications carefully. (Ej. Client: I want DATY, DFK and Pussy Slide, ok. $TAG. Remember that day she did all to you, as yesterday to all 10 them and all 240 for the last month.)

Also, there is no Semi-Spa title, business, organization. The term is a simple fabrication from shillers and is deprecated.

Below is a simplified table of contents outlining the spectrum of Categories and Business Groups.

Categories​	Groups​	License​	Who - And​	Price​	Option 1 = Extra + Tip $$​	Option 2 = Extra + Tip $$$​	Option 3 = Extra + Tip $$$$​
Legit	Massage centres or health centres	RMT	Practitioners, Insurance allow	Fixed - tip client choice	---NONE---	---NONE---	---NONE---
Holistic	Holistic Massage centres	Holistic	Holistic practitioners, Insurance maybe allow	Not Fixed	Offers the same as legit, not all offer extra. If available will be HE.	If offers option 1, Depending on attendant, BS	If offers option 2, Depending on attendant FS.
Body Rub	Body Rubs or Rub and Tugs	Body Rub Parlour	Attendants, no insurance	Fixed	Offers rubbing, include BS and HE.	Depending on attendant. BJ	Depending on attendant. FS

* HE= Happy Ending *BS=Body Slide *PS= Pussy Slide *BJ=Blow Job *FS=Full Service.
* Pussy Slide = Extra + Tip $$$ . Ask about this option. This is not include it on BS.
* Full Service means = option 1 + option 2 + intercourse. It do not means or be interpret as "Anything you want".
* Intercourse is vaginal. Extra + Tip = anal.
* This is a baseline for all option. Always ask the attendant for consent before paying for anything beyond this options. Ex. Kissing, Licking, BDSM. Do not assume is included.
* BB's are excluded. It exposed both parties to significant health risks, financial burdens, and social-psychological consequences.

I think you misunderstand the hobby as it is practiced in Toronto. There are spas that only offer handjobs, where blowjobs and full sex are difficult to get. They are semi legitimate spas. If you want only a handjob, these girls will be pleased to perform. A holistic spa has girls that specialize in bj and full sex, and they will be neither pleased to offer hj nor skilled at it. They will be unhappy to accept $40 or $60 tip as well, unlike the SL mpas.