Opinion Why do MPA's expect 10$ or more for tip for basic massage with no HE?

[Back in Toronto]

Many spas aren't paying the girls to work so they are relying on tips for income. This is especially true in Markham.
Markham spa owners are very greedy.

Many spas aren't paying the girls to work so they are relying on tips for income. This is especially true in Markham.
Markham spa owners are very greedy.
Try not to be so cheap in the future.
You don't need to over pay, but don't be cheap.

Sounds like those spas are owned by jews. Leave it to the jew pimps to screw even whores.

Too bad Hitler only expelled them when executing those criminals would have spared humanity their pestilence. #BDS

 

[Back in Toronto]

What does that have to do with anything? I only go for massages every few months when I have extra money to spare from my wallet! Stop the bullshit!

He's another white knight mofo.

 

[xtc27]

You are correct the mpa get nothing at holistic FS spas.
Most semi legit girls get $10/20/30 out of 30/45/60 minutes where they charge $40/50/60 rates.

Almost all of holistic spas do not pay the girls anything. They used to pay $10 , not any more. The girls only rely on tips from service.

… let’s stop talking holistic spas… totally different ballgame…

Dude asked re msg + no xtras…. That’s legit msg… those girls make rm fee $$ … not much if they ≠ rmt… but can b pretty gd… one mpa friend @ legit spa makes $25/ hr…

…mebbe holistic MPA make no rm fees … so what? They don’t do legit msg (unless u cum fast & they’re bored)

 

[Mav]

$10 tips for a $40 hours session is 25 percent tips. that's a bit much in terms of tips. Girls don't get a portion of the room fee is the girls' problems. They should have negotiated the compensation with the owners before working. I have no problem paying the 10 bucks tips if the service is good. I have a problem when the girls give me crap over the tipping.

Disagree.

 

[Cool-Story-Bro]

So why they work at holistic spa ?
If they don't get paid & only rely on tips. Isn't semi-legit a good option for them ?

 

[cupcrazy]

Some of you know I did part time driving coaches. Depends on the bus company you work for, your compensation is solely based on tips. Same goes with thr tour guide. Some tour companies will even take a cut from the tips. It only happen at very small tour companies.


Before the tourist books a trip, thr travel agent always give thr tourist a heads up that they have to pay X amount of tips per day to both the tour guide and bus driver. If the customers tip more than the minimum amount thr tour guide keeps the extra money.

In short, if thr mpa wants to get paid, they should say that up front.

 

[OG_funguy]

Some of you know I did part time driving coaches. Depends on the bus company you work for, your compensation is solely based on tips. Same goes with thr tour guide. Some tour companies will even take a cut from the tips. It only happen at very small tour companies.


Before the tourist books a trip, thr travel agent always give thr tourist a heads up that they have to pay X amount of tips per day to both the tour guide and bus driver. If the customers tip more than the minimum amount thr tour guide keeps the extra money.

In short, if thr mpa wants to get paid, they should say that up front.

Your logic only works up to a certain point. For the most part, the MPAs are fine with their compensation structure. It's the exception cases where they get a very small tip that things go bad. Hey, no one is justifying rude behaviour and if an MPA is really that rude, then go ahead and send her a message. But like everyone else, MPAs can have bad days too, and if she just happens to not be really cheerful that day, most of us are saying to just not rip her off but move on instead.

 

[Mav]

That is the problem right there they are not paying the girls to work. Why should I should I be the one to supply their income? I am by no means rich and if I have extra tip money I will give it but it is in no way in hell my job to help the girls to survive!

$10 tips for a $40 hours session is 25 percent tips. that's a bit much in terms of tips. Girls don't get a portion of the room fee is the girls' problems. They should have negotiated the compensation with the owners before working. I have no problem paying the 10 bucks tips if the service is good. I have a problem when the girls give me crap over the tipping.

Ok, now I have time to break down for you what you just said. This reply is also directed to the OP as well.

You are right, $10 is 25% of $40.

The thing is that the girl isnt getting $50. She is maybe getting $20... and more than likely in this example $10. In the OP's example with his little tantrum... she gets $5.

Now, whether or not you agree with how the business is being run... do you think this is fair? A woman is doing her best, using her muscles and massaging your body for 30 minutes. Maybe you didnt think the massage was great, and thats your valid opinion as we all have had bad massages... trust me I have. But in the end, you tipping her $5 is nothing short of a slap in the face.

I am with you about the structure of the business. I don't think it is run fairly, or ethically. But, unfortunately for me and for us and most importantly for the MPA's that's the way it is done. There are many other businesses that I do not agree with their models as well. We in Ontario get charged a significant "delivery" fee for our hydro. Yet we pay our bills or we have our power cut off. We pay carbon tax on gasoline and diesel, we pay land transfer tax when we move to a new house, and for those of us who are fortunate enough to be able to afford multiple properties, we get slammed with paying capital gains tax when we sell one, which is a hugely significant number. We pay for those things. Are they fair? Nope. Are they money grabs? YEP.

Now, OP, you say that you are not a rich guy, so your money is very important to you and how you spend it matters to you. I understand that. I spent a big chunk of my life in that situation so I can relate. Maybe this hobby isnt for you then. I want you to think about her side too though. I can almost guarantee that in your head you think that she makes a ton of money. I assure you she doesnt. She is probably in the same situation as you. If your $5 matters to you, it matters just as much to her. So that is why she had the reaction that she had to you not wanting to tip. There are two sides to every situation. You may not have the funds (again, im going by what you said only, not being judgmental in any way) because you are working yourself in an unfairly compensated career. If thats the case, maybe try to reflect on how someone in whatever work situation you are in attempts to cut back your earning potential. That would probably upset you too right?

My last point is this. You went to a place that is set up to provide massage with extras, expecting to get a good regular massage for cheap. Sometimes you get lucky and get someone with legit skills who is working those places because they can make more money by providing a little extra or have more foot traffic. Most of the time the massage portion is secondary however. That was your big mistake. I understand wanting a good massage, actually that is 100% my thing too, and I often get disappointed, you can read about it in my reviews here too.... but I would never take money away from someone who is working hard to earn a living. Regardless of the quality, I always would tip the minimum... and if it was better I would tip accordingly. If a good massage is all you want, it has been mentioned that you should go to a legit place then. MayBlossom has a bunch of locations, and they dont expect extras tip $. I'm sure there are lots of others people can mention too. Those places tend to have more fair payment systems for the girls, as the extras are not available and that tip money isnt being paid. This visit should have been somewhere like that.

If you continue with this type of attitude towards women in this industry, especially now knowing their circumstance... I think you will find it isnt the hobby for you. Burning bridges will only lead to you having poor visits, and thus wasting your hard earned money. Treat them nice, and they return the favour. That doesnt mean you have to be extravagant by any means, it just means understanding the system, adjust your budget accordingly, and enjoy yourself.

 

[cupcrazy]

Your logic only works up to a certain point. For the most part, the MPAs are fine with their compensation structure. It's the exception cases where they get a very small tip that things go bad. Hey, no one is justifying rude behaviour and if an MPA is really that rude, then go ahead and send her a message. But like everyone else, MPAs can have bad days too, and if she just happens to not be really cheerful that day, most of us are saying to just not rip her off but move on instead.

Yes, MPAs certainly have bad days. When they provide services, they are representing the company. It is expected of them to act professionally and not swearing at the customers.

Ok, now I have time to break down for you what you just said. This reply is also directed to the OP as well.

You are right, $10 is 25% of $40.

The thing is that the girl isnt getting $50. She is maybe getting $20... and more than likely in this example $10. In the OP's example with his little tantrum... she gets $5.

Now, whether or not you agree with how the business is being run... do you think this is fair? A woman is doing her best, using her muscles and massaging your body for 30 minutes. Maybe you didnt think the massage was great, and thats your valid opinion as we all have had bad massages... trust me I have. But in the end, you tipping her $5 is nothing short of a slap in the face.

I am with you about the structure of the business. I don't think it is run fairly, or ethically. But, unfortunately for me and for us and most importantly for the MPA's that's the way it is done. There are many other businesses that I do not agree with their models as well. We in Ontario get charged a significant "delivery" fee for our hydro. Yet we pay our bills or we have our power cut off. We pay carbon tax on gasoline and diesel, we pay land transfer tax when we move to a new house, and for those of us who are fortunate enough to be able to afford multiple properties, we get slammed with paying capital gains tax when we sell one, which is a hugely significant number. We pay for those things. Are they fair? Nope. Are they money grabs? YEP.

Now, OP, you say that you are not a rich guy, so your money is very important to you and how you spend it matters to you. I understand that. I spent a big chunk of my life in that situation so I can relate. Maybe this hobby isnt for you then. I want you to think about her side too though. I can almost guarantee that in your head you think that she makes a ton of money. I assure you she doesnt. She is probably in the same situation as you. If your $5 matters to you, it matters just as much to her. So that is why she had the reaction that she had to you not wanting to tip. There are two sides to every situation. You may not have the funds (again, im going by what you said only, not being judgmental in any way) because you are working yourself in an unfairly compensated career. If thats the case, maybe try to reflect on how someone in whatever work situation you are in attempts to cut back your earning potential. That would probably upset you too right?

My last point is this. You went to a place that is set up to provide massage with extras, expecting to get a good regular massage for cheap. Sometimes you get lucky and get someone with legit skills who is working those places because they can make more money by providing a little extra or have more foot traffic. Most of the time the massage portion is secondary however. That was your big mistake. I understand wanting a good massage, actually that is 100% my thing too, and I often get disappointed, you can read about it in my reviews here too.... but I would never take money away from someone who is working hard to earn a living. Regardless of the quality, I always would tip the minimum... and if it was better I would tip accordingly. If a good massage is all you want, it has been mentioned that you should go to a legit place then. MayBlossom has a bunch of locations, and they dont expect extras tip $. I'm sure there are lots of others people can mention too. Those places tend to have more fair payment systems for the girls, as the extras are not available and that tip money isnt being paid. This visit should have been somewhere like that.

If you continue with this type of attitude towards women in this industry, especially now knowing their circumstance... I think you will find it isnt the hobby for you. Burning bridges will only lead to you having poor visits, and thus wasting your hard earned money. Treat them nice, and they return the favour. That doesnt mean you have to be extravagant by any means, it just means understanding the system, adjust your budget accordingly, and enjoy yourself.

It is not so much for the $10 or whatever amount of tips. To me, the customer decides how much to tip the girls. I have no problem tipping more if the mpa did well above and beyond her responsibilities.

 

[Mav]

Yes, MPAs certainly have bad days. When they provide services, they are representing the company. It is expected of them to act professionally and not swearing at the customers.


It is not so much for the $10 or whatever amount of tips. To me, the customer decides how much to tip the girls. I have no problem tipping more if the mpa did well above and beyond her responsibilities.

Then you should be going to legit places where that is the way it is run. At semi- it’s different. Like it or not. That’s the way it is.

 

[krayjee]

Looks to me like one cheap ass went to Just Relax on Wednesday and tip only $10 to one of the best and prettiest masseuse after getting a good massage and HJ.
It was a slow day at JR , the girl got so upset and left the spa after that guy in early afternoon. I hope she doesn't quit just bcuz of this cheap mthrfkr. Why the fuck is this mothrfkr keep going to semi legit places if he is so cheap? Why not go to Mayblossom or other legit places? He wants to get massaged by young girls but doesn't want to tip. What an asshole!!
The girl told me she always treats everyone with respect and gives the best massage and makes sure her customer is happy and this was the first time she ever got only $10 tip . I felt so sorry for her and I spent a few minutes chatting with her to make her feel better. She works as Cici at Superior during the lockdown and she was one of the best I have ever had and I was the one suggested her to work at JR. At one time she even came in to massage me for my very late appointment at 10:30 pm at Superior. Those who had seen her at Superior know how good she was. I told the receptionist Annie to ban that cheap ass from the spa like I had done when I was working at the front desk at JR. I always tell those cheap asses nobody was free whenever they called or walked in. I told one guy blunt..sorry sir no girls wants to see you.

 

[Mav]

Looks to me like this cheap ass went to Just Relax on Wednesday and tip only $10 to one of the best and prettiest masseuse after getting a good massage and HJ.
It was a slow day at JR , the girl got so upset and left the spa after that guy in early afternoon. I hope she doesn't quit just bcuz of this cheap mthrfkr. Why the fuck is this mothrfkr keep going to semi legit places if he is so cheap? Why not go to Mayblossom or other legit places? He wants to get massaged by young girls but doesn't want to tip. What an asshole!!
The girl told me she always treats everyone with respect and gives the best massage and makes sure her customer is happy and this was the first time she ever got only $10 tip . I felt so sorry for her and I spent a few minutes chatting with her to make her feel better. She works as Cici at Superior during the lockdown and she was one of the best I have ever had and I was the one suggested her to work at JR. At one time she even came in to massage me for my late 10:30 pm appointment at Superior. Those who had seen her at Superior know how good she was. I told the receptionist Annie to ban that cheap ass from the spa like I had done when I was working at the front desk at JR. I always tell those cheap asses nobody was free whenever they called or walked in. I told one guy blunt..sorry sir no girls wants to see you.

I wonder if he caused the same sort of scene at JR?

Seriously dude. Just go to a legit place.

 

[krayjee]

I wonder if he caused the same sort of scene at JR?

Seriously dude. Just go to a legit place.

The girl is so sweet and won't caused a scene but told the receptionist not to ever give her that guy. All the other girls there already knew about him. This girl is farly new there so she got ripped off. This fucker is so cheap but loves to be touched by younger girls. What a shameless asshole !

 

[cupcrazy]

next time negotiate the tips first before proceeding with HE. Maybe krayjee should sent her to Blue Nile instead.

 

[Mav]

The girl is so sweet and won't caused a scene but told the receptionist not to ever give her that guy. All the other girls there already knew about him. This girl is farly new there so she got ripped off. This fucker is so cheap but loves to be touch by younger girls. What a shameless asshole !

PM me who it was if you don’t mind. Sounds like she’s a nice one to visit. From what you say she is excellent. I’ll pay her a visit and she can recoup her $

 

[Mav]

next time negotiate the tips first before proceeding with HE. Maybe krayjee should sent her to Blue Nile instead.

You aren’t new here. You know the industry standard and you enjoy trying to get away with tipping 25% of it. In the process getting black listed. Hope you enjoy stealing tip jars. Because that’s what you’re doing.

 

[krayjee]

PM me who it was if you don’t mind. Sounds like she’s a nice one to visit. From what you say she is excellent. I’ll pay her a visit and she can recoup her $

She is Cici at Just Relax on Wednesdays. I hope and prey she comes back next Wednesday.

 

[krayjee]

next time negotiate the tips first before proceeding with HE. Maybe krayjee should sent her to Blue Nile instead.

JR has the policy not to talk about tips. That's why some assholes taking advantage of it.

 

[Mav]

She is Cici at Just Relax on Wednesdays. I hope and prey she comes back next Wednesday.

Me too
Do you know if she ever worked at Health Hub as Cici?

 

[cupcrazy]

You aren’t new here. You know the industry standard and you enjoy trying to get away with tipping 25% of it. In the process getting black listed. Hope you enjoy stealing tip jars. Because that’s what you’re doing.

i am that cheap. I give the industry stand tips.

Yes, there are cheap customers out there, that's why i said negotiate the tips first to avoid confrontation.